karen.v.schulze 04/26/2013

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IF You are looking for someone who is rude

this would be the place to call. Tried to explain some info to the owner and she just wouldnt listen. Just lost my dog and was looking for another..quote..I dont care about your dog.I just want the paper work about the shots. Hope you treat the dogs you rescued better than the people trying to adopt them. Giving shelters a bad name...shame on you!

 
JKCRANE 05/31/2013

Save yourself time and money- don't… Save yourself time and money- don't support rude hateful people- just think, if they treat people so rudely (and hey, we can write reviews and talk about it!) just think how they treat animals they see as not meeting their "standard".

Here is a copy of my complaint I filed with the BBB for the hurtful, abusive remarks about a pet that we had since she was a baby and died in a tragic accident at the age of 10.

The following is the response I recieved from this organization after I filled out their application. I am well aware that they can deny anyone. That is their policy and the risk I took, I can accept that. What I didn't agree to was an abusive response including an insult about a tragic accident involving one of our first pets (who was 10 years old at the time). If this is how they treat people, I can only imagine how they treat animals:

"Good at vet, even preventative care for the cat. Layla had a "car accident", love this...she must have been drinking and testing - bad girl! She was last seen 1/2010. They are gone 8 hours a day (thinking about Duke, but he may have a home) and the new dog will be able to run the property with the safety of the invisible fence - like Layla did? Oh, I think they hit the adopted from us before line by accident, I find nothing. "

*** Side note, I did hit a button by accident about adopting before, but I was never asked to clarify. Never was asked to clarify the accident, nor how it is that we have somehow managed to keep two dogs and a cat safe for many years. We have never had a neighbor complain about their care, and have a great record for care at the vet. This organization, on the other hand, has many complaints about customer service online, so this not an isolated incident.

Am I angry? Yes. This response was uncalled for.

More than happy to also post my reply:

"No need to be nasty about it. I see now why you have so many negative reviews online. Now it will be one more. Layla was a loved animal who had an unfortunate accident that is awfully painful for my family. For you to make light of it shows your true character. Thanks for saving me the money with you. If you think you can treat people this way, you are undoubtably abusive to your animals, too. Im glad you sent such a rude and hateful note me, I'd hate to have my money go towards supporting your abusive operation. Now I can post with confidence that those reviews are spot on- I've had my own first hand experience with you. Sorry that I wasted MY time with you. Also sorry for those animals having to spend time with such a hateful person. I can't imagine they enJOY it so much. They are probably more than happy to be adopted- "get me the heck away from that woman". Lady, you give b****s a bad name."

http://www.yellowpages.com/cuba-ny/mip/joyful-rescues-11181223
 
Free_Bee 07/05/2013

Rude people who don't seem to want to… Rude people who don't seem to want to let animals go, and I can only imagine the conditions for animals there. I shudder to think. Petfinder says they currently have 134 dogs (!!!) and 31 cats. That is way beyond too many for a facility like they appear to have. I will be supporting a better rescue when I adopt.

 
After my horrendous experience with Joyful Rescues, I'm hesitant to try to adopt
a needy animal again.  Why get our hopes up, just to have them dashed by
another gate-keeper with a God complex? 

5. Tightening pet adoption rules may have been a good idea at some point.
Overtightening those rules certainly isn't. Shelter animals are
ill-served by policies that prevent their adoption by hundreds of thousands of
certifiably responsible parents and dog owners
(see under 6). For the SPCA, this
is an act of self-sabotage. The organization ends up alienating much of its base
and ruining its own success numbers.

http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2007/05/the_nannies_of_.html


 
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Joyful.Rescues.2.716-372-3661
After putting an application in on Thurs. I received an email on Friday
asking to contact my vet & give them permission to speak to JR. I called my
vet that day &  an hour later I received a one line email "we won't adopt to
you". I called my references & was told no from JR even called them. I
called Saturday morning & spoke to an extremely nice volunteer who told me 
to call back Monday morning & speak to Joye. When I called on Monday to see
why my application  was denied Joye told me she was too busy to discuss it &
that there could be a million reasons as to why. I asked if my references
weren’t checked, was there something on my application that was a problem. I
asked if having young children was a problem (we have a dog already) , she told
me that if your children are mentioned on the application, that is a red flag to
them. And I quote per Joye "go find another dog" and hung up on me. I was very
dismayed on how they talk to people and their insufficient review process. 
 
  • Update #2: Friends, I could use some support here.  I like to think that I treat others as I would like to be treated, so I wrote privately to the President/Owner of Joyful Rescues, Joye Turock, twice, asking her to contact me. The first received no response at all.  For the second, she posted the entire email on my old Facebook business page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Financial-Aid-Solutions/136356046443471 .  I'll post it below, if you're interested.  It was meant to be private, but she posted it publicly, so...  I generally like to avoid drama, but I'm feeling particularly un-zen-like at the moment.  Thoughts?  

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  • I "applaud" you immensely Tara ! Decisions can be reversed ~ so I'm sending out
    prayers ~ and I'm also sure that once Joyful Rescues realize the mistake that
    they've made ~ all will end well ~ Much Love & Support for you and Bob 
     
    Glad you wrote them.  He's a cute puppy and for you all to denied seems odd.  As
    you've stated your pets are your family.  I sincerely hope they change their minds unless its false advertising on their part.  Hope not.  Best wishes Tara!
     
    An inexperienced kid gets a pit? Maybe joyful rescues felt you were overqualified.
    That was a very well written letter, and much kinder than what I would have written. Best wishes for an awesome and lucky animal to join your family!
      
    Wow...they are ridiculous! You said she responded to your second email? I didn't see it....I'm curious....we're going through the same thing...we wanted to take our Kodie to doggy day care to socialize with other dogs since he just list his big sister....he was denied!!! So I known how you feel, and we are fighting it too.  Thoughts are with you.
     
    Tara I think this sucks! I have worked with rescue for over 14 yrs.  I don't see any reason why they shouldn't give you a reason . That seems a given. Unfortunately some people in rescue have a god complex. Go to a local shelter where you can save a life. It will make the kids feel better and you will save one if the much needed animals from a fairly certain death. The puppy appears to be a shepherd and I have never seen a shortage of them in shelters. Both mine are.
     
    http://www.yellowpages.com/cuba-ny/mip/joyful-rescues-11181223
    They have been arbitrarily unfair to many others.
    Joyful,Rescues
    in Cuba, NY
    www.yellowpages.com
    Rated 1.5 stars on YP. Share your own tips, photos and more - tell us what you think of this business!
      
    At the moment, I vote post your letter on the group's Facebook page. Perhaps you should wait till tomorrow morning to do so that way you will have slept on the decision. Perhaps she didn't realize what she was doing since her page has rather old posts on it. I'm so sorry  that this situation is occurring for you and your family.
      
    Wow....from the reviews on the site Wendi posted, this place needs to be shut down!!!
      
    You attempted to resolve this at a low level and they are not being responsive. If
    you wait a month to have the board read your email (which sounds like complete
    BS), these animals may be adopted by another family who may not be as loving as
    yours. Too often people are not pressed to be accountable for their actions. pushing this issue is the right thing to do for your kids, the community and most importantly for the homeless animals who do not have a voice. I say go for it!  Sorry for your pain...you are one of the most loving pet owners that I know.  Good luck!
     
    If people were to comment on the post she posted would she see it or would it only show on your page?
      
    Tara, i think you should call the local news channel.
  • I agree with Lisa!!!!!
  • Tara, a friend of mine there in Rochester offered to help you find the right pet.  I
    think she volunteers at a different adoption agency.  As an SPCA volunteer, after reading the facility reviews for this place, I would also recommend you report the facility to local SPCA/ animal control/ law enforcement.  Sounds like a hoarding situation.
     
  • I agree with Tia . . . sounds like a god (or some other) complex.  Also, they do not know how to read people or situations. You and your family would make the best of owners for this pup!
     
    If you are going to deny an application don't be COWARDS, have the guts to tell the
    person why! We are going to be adopting fairly soon and I know who not to go to
    now.
     
    Tara, I read some of the reviews and it sounds as if the rescue owners are sick and possibly animal horders!  I think Lisa is right, the news needs to be involved!
     
    We got turned down for a kitten a number of years ago. Totally understand where u r
    coming from. Crazy!
  • This is so SAD!!! Prayers to you all..
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  • Financial Aid Solutions
    Rather than posting my letter, why not just call me so we can discuss this like adults, Joye Turock?
     
    Financial Aid Solutions
    Or would you prefer that I post it on the Joyful Rescues Facebook page?

    Financial Aid Solutions
    I kept this private, but you made this public by posting here.  So be it.

    Another friend commented:  

    Is Joye Turock trying to shame you or something?  Strike 2 for Joyful Rescues...  Oh wait... I get it.... Joyeful Rescues... That explains a lot.
  •  
    Dear Joyful Rescues Board,

    I’m big enough to admit when I may have made a rash decision.  I hope you are too.  

    We submitted an application for a puppy (Oscar, Sophie or Bridget) Tuesday morning. I believed that my family was an excellent candidate to adopt any homeless pet.  We’ve adopted unwanted pets all of our lives (including cats, dogs and a horse), we’ve taken very good care of them, and given them good, happy lives.  We’ve bottle-fed a kitten taken too young from her mother, and spent thousands of dollars shipping a horse that
    cost only $500 – all because we believe our pets are part of our family.  You do what’s right for your family, no matter the cost.  Our pets live happy, healthy lives full of love.  I have many more stories of the sacrifices we’ve made for our pets, and I’d be happy to share them with you.  

    I called Friday morning, because we still hadn’t heard when we might be able to meet our new family member.  We have family coming over today for the holiday weekend, and we were excited to introduce them.  But I was told during the call that our application had been denied.  And that the secretary couldn’t tell us why, and that there was no one else I could speak to, and that I could send an email but the board only reads them about once per month, and that I signed on my application that Joyful
    Rescues could deny my application without question.  I was shocked.  Flabbergasted.  Here was a puppy that needed a family, and a loving family that wanted him/her, but Joyful Rescues was saying NO.  It just didn’t make sense.  

    And then I had to tell my children.  The day before, our 17-year-old cat, Scabby-Cat,
    had died.  I had found her in 1996 crawling onto the freeway during morning rush-hour traffic.  I pulled over, ran to get her, and called my job to tell them that I would be late.  Our vet examined her, said she was about 2 weeks old, underfed and flea-bitten, but
    healthy otherwise.  She told me where to go to get kitten replacement milk to feed her.  We named her Abby, (later called Scabby because she developed an allergy), and fed her with a bottle until she was old enough for regular kitten food.  Scabby was with
    us until this past Thursday.  My 11-year-old son, Peyton, and I were with her when she took her last breath.  We were all very saddened by Scabby’s death, but we felt good knowing that we had given her a good life, and that we were with her when she died.  And we thought the pain would be lessened when our new family member arrived in a few days.  

    My kids and I cried when I told them of your decision to deny our application.  Your thoughtless decision caused more pain to my children.  If you’re a parent, you know how that makes a mother feel.  I don’t know about you, but I don’t go down gently when someone hurts my kids. 

    So I did some research, found some interesting information, bought a domain name and created:

    Joyful-Rescues   (http://www.joyful-rescues.com/)
     
    I encourage you to view it in its entirety. 

    But then, I thought, perhaps I’ve misjudged.  To be honest, I’ve only spoken with the secretary.  Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding.  Perhaps I should contact the Board to see if this can be resolved before I advertise my website.  
     
    So I’m giving you the opportunity I felt I was denied.  If you can provide a valid reason why we are unsuitable to adopt Oscar, Sophie or Bridget, I’m happy to make the website inactive.  Or, you can do what I believe you should have done in the first place, and approve our application to adopt one of them. 

    Please contact me at your
    earliest convenience. 

    Sincerely,

    Tara
    Piantanida-Kelly
    Tara@FinancialAidSolutions.com
    541-261-0524
     
    Good morning,
    I just got off the phone with the Joyful Rescues secretary.  We submitted our application on Tuesday morning, and hadn't heard anything as of this morning.  I called because we were hoping to make the trip to pick up Oscar, Bridget or Sophie tonight or tomorrow morning.  But the secretary informed me that our application was denied.  And now I'm in shock.  And my children will be devastated when I tell them.  

    The secretary informed me that all decisions are final, that I agreed when I submitted my application that you wouldn't have to give a reason if you denied our application, and that there's no one I can call, but that I can send this email, which may be read sometime within the next month.  I understand all of that, but I don't understand how you could read about us, and check our references, and not feel that we're suitable.  I
    think we should be a dream-come-true application for any shelter.  I can only think that there's some mix-up somewhere.  The wrong box got checked, something...  This just makes no sense...

    Could someone please contact me?  Please?  I'd like to be able to explain this to my children, and I just can't right now.  

    Please, please make an exception and call me:  541) 261-0524.
     
    Thank you.
     
    Tara